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The year predicted for the glacier's collapse was an extrapolation based on data and models available at the time. While the timing was off, the thing is going away visibly for everyone!

In hindsight they shouldn't have set the date, but contrast the fast decline with the long existence. Maybe even let people guess or bet the exact year to involve them and make them think.


Do you believe that current climate predictions are based on the data and models of the time?


> geoengineering could go wrong

Sure. If one path leads to certain doom and the other into the unknown, which one do you choose?


The third path that is constantly being pushed against by rubes, dishonest hacks, and large moneyed interests.

And intentionally left out of conversations like this by people addicted to simplistic thinking and binary fallacies


What's the 3rd path, Commander Vague?


Taking it fucking seriously as a nation and implementing any of the possible externality capture models in earnest. That means a rapidly scaling(5 year) decline in oil subsidizes to zero, a rapidly scaling ban on fossil fuel power (10 year) and a rapidly scaling (10 years) deployment of a carbon tax credit system, and at least a 100x government research grants on carbon capture technology. All of the above, in sufficient numbers, would achieve surefire results without taking absurd risks and massive gambles. All of it, and many other things, have been researched and talked about to death for years, rigor and scrutiny that geo engineering has not.

They haven’t been implemented because vested interests have billions of dollars to keep those changes from happening, and the public has not put their ballots behind it, leading to very unserious short term thinkers in positions of power. Change that, and we could easily afford to do this, we have the money and lack the willpower.


Frankly, I would've agreed with your opinion... Maybe 20-30 years ago?

I think it's clear that nothing will be done - and initiatives that end at a national level are meaningless from a climate perspective.

You should definitely still try to get your locality to do them, because they increase your quality of life by reducing local pollution... It climate change relevant? No.

15-20 years ago I would've said we need a more global approach to this, actual binding agreements - enforced globally through a body that has the ability to force the nations to actually adhere to them.

But now, in the last 5-10 years I've most certainly lost any kind of hope that such a initiate would not end being leveraged by someone like trump to sabotage others.

Honestly, I currently consider any climate change oriented political decisions to be irrelevant at best. It's gonna happen, so if you do something - do it for your local environment. If you try to signal with global warming I am forced to see you as at best a hopelessly naive person, as I was 30 years ago


I think we're well beyond proving humanity can't shed greed to the point it hinders our ability to survive long term.


About Wolf Tivy's idea of "xenohumanism": strip "humanity" of all ape-ish historical contingency and identify the convergent "true man" as sum of "human" capabilities like language, philosophy, sociality, intelligence, consciousness

https://xcancel.com/wolftivy/status/2085790987293692248#m


Just posted the idea for a win-win reuse of desalination waste water in the arctic depths in a sibling comment! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49283840#49286264


> temperatures recover

Not. so. fast.


The little ice age was between ~1300 and 1850. It's now nearly 200 years later and I don't think it unreasonable that, say, glaciers melt faster the smaller they get.


Can't we just pour the waste water from desalination plants into the arctic abyss to keep AMOC going?


Once warming gets to a point we may not need desalination plants. The boil off from the ocean will perpetuate rainfall. Clean water for everyone. Never mind the 100+ mph winds that go along with that.


HaS aNyOnE sEeN aLtErNaTiNg CaSe CoNvErTeRs https://en.toolpage.org/tool/alternatingcase https://www.textformatting.com/case-converter/alternating-ca...

Sadly no backwards direction


Why would a random thing in the world specifically target anything? Nature throws things against the wall and keeps what sticks.

Look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedychrum_rutilans, a parasite on a parasite. Did it target beewolves specifically? And now its hosts are dying, was it his fault he chose the 'wrong' target?

Not the anthropocentricity is to criticise, but the idea of nature targeting. OP asked a well meaning question where sth. can be be learned from. Thank you.


The whole targeting phrasing mixes cause and effect. Evolution, as we currently understand it, is working differently: it is random effects and seeing what sticks, as you phrased, not targeting anything specifically.

The level of consciousness where the phrase targeting makes sense is way higher.


Right, and I think now I understand you better:

>> targeted humans

With utilitarian and anthropocentric world view you mean the 'target thinking' ascribing intention to nature, and not what is targeted, which are only incidentally humans here.


Exactly! Thanks for your reply.


Funny how 'drug' in English is a homonym for at the same time bad recreational substance and good one to cure illness.

In German it's Droge and Medikament


TIL I learned about Janus words that have two opposite meanings depending on context, also known as contronyms or auto-antonyms:

Cleave: To split apart ('cleave the wood') or to adhere closely ('cleave to one's principles')

Sanction: To give official permission/approval or to impose a penalty/ban

Oversight: Watchful supervision or an unintentional mistake/omission

Dust: To remove fine particles ('dust the shelf') or to sprinkle them on ('dust the cake with sugar')

Bolt: To secure firmly in place or to run away suddenly

Clip: To fasten together ('clip the papers') or to cut off ('clip the coupon')

Fast: Moving quickly or fixed firmly in place ('stuck fast')

Left: Departed (verb) or remaining (adjective)

Screen: To display/show ('screen a movie') or to hide/conceal

Weather: To withstand or endure ('weather the storm') or to wear away/deteriorate over time

Peruse: To read carefully and thoroughly or to skim casually

Trim: To decorate/adorn ('trim the tree') or to cut away excess ('trim the hedges')

Rent: To pay for the use of something or to receive payment for allowing someone to use something

Table: In British English, to propose for discussion; in American English, to postpone or remove from discussion


We hear a lot about LLMs lately, they solve reasoning, mimic empathy, and awaken consciousness miraculously. As long as we do not understand the workings of the mind and brain, it reminds me of the days when machine learning or Bitcoin were the cure for everything.


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