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ByteDance has said publicly that they won't be selling their algorithm (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-13/bytedance...) -- so there's no IP angle here. What is Oracle really getting out of the deal?


They're doing the deal as part of a consortium, Oracle is getting TikTok's cloud hosting in the US market (at least). Assuming TikTok doesn't fade in the next few years, it'll substantially increase the size of Oracle's cloud business and they can use it as a marketing point.

It suggests that Oracle's cloud business has such dire traction that they can't acquire prominent customers for it any other way than to directly buy part of them. It also speaks to that Ellison & Co. view the cloud shift as a terminal threat for Oracle, one that is getting worse by the day, and that if they don't succeed at building up their cloud business, they will erode and die (and they're right).

Oracle stayed in the game in the last round through massive consolidation, buying up the competition one after another (eg Siebel, PeopleSoft, etc). They'll try the same thing this time around as their organic efforts have largely failed; we'll see how much success they have given they're far outgunned this time around (and running from much further behind).


Has anyone actually ever used their cloud offering? I assume it's awful, but I've never even looked at it.


They have the most generous free tier. 2 free VM's each with 50 GB of storage and 2 free autonomous Oracle databases with 20 GB of storage.


Theoretically they do. Practically I couldn't even get an account last time I tried (a few months ago). It would attempt to charge my credit card a 1 dollar "check the payment is working fee" and fail (even though the charge was going through successfully).


It just worked for me. The card verification page tried to launch Flash for some reason, but it worked even though my browser blocked it.


What is the catch here? That seems good enough to run most things on.


They offer 2 free Oracle databases. The catch is they're Oracle databases.

In other words it's the same as every cloud provider: They hope you'll build a business system that uses enough of their proprietary tech that you can't easily move to another provider.


You can run mysql on any other free database on the 2 free compute instances. It is totally up to you.

The autonomous database is Oracle's offering of their Oracle database - that requires no DBA or tuning and runs on Exadata infrastructure. They are offering it for free - because they want enterprises using existing on-premise Oracle databases, to move their existing DB applications to the cloud.

Oracle Autonomous databases comes with free Oracle APEX - which is a low code / no code toolchain.


You get 1/8 OCPU per VPS


For a hobbyist, the free tier is amazing. 2 micro instances free forever.


They have a free tier that I’ve heard people will run matrix instances on. It seemed somewhat generous.


It's actually pretty solid, UX is also nicer than AWS or GCP


ZOOM Inc cloud partner is oracle. Oracle increasingly seems to be a bridge between US and China.


Zoom is not a Chinese company. Its founder and CEO happens to be Chinese, and they have operations in China, but the company was founded, incorporated, and initially exclusively operated in the U.S.


Development is all done out of China...


Not so. Their engineering core is in San Jose, CA.


The front end is not core.


It's more interesting to say "does the Chinese government have control over this company?"

Does the ceo/founder have family in china that can be held hostage?


That applies to most Chinese diaspora then.


Oracle has recently acquired top global brands as customers for their cloud business : https://www.zdnet.com/article/oracle-beats-q1-estimates-wins...


Just like GM operating in China is not transferring any IP, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Monza_(China) being manufactured under SAIC-GM, a forced joint venture between GM and Chinese state-owned SAIC Motor is fine and dandy.


TikTok is a media platform. They are buying audience.


They can pass the user data to the US government.


I think that's right. I made this comment on a related thread but didn't put 2+2 together. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24465275


I don’t find it credible that governments are extremely interested in tik tok data.


Having aback catalog of truly embarrassing and possibly liable vids on any future politician, CEO or any useful pawn is worth a lot.


The app can access your microphone, camera, contacts, location services, and clipboard among other things.

https://www.rd.com/article/the-dangers-of-tiktok-that-are-wo...


Given the world-wide adoption of their app on smart phones, I'd say you're mistaken.


Android and iOS are more widespread, therefore an easier/better target for your government.


Well, the US government certainly thinks the Chinese government is interested.


They certainly are saying that they think that.


That's an incredibly naive statement. Governments are highly interested in social media.


It’s not just that. Now the Trump administration has control of the world’s best propaganda tool. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/technology/oracle-tiktok-...


It's pretty easy for trump to have someone else ghost write his tweets; that' won't work for his tiktok videos...


Its not that angle - imagine being able to turn down anything that is not flattering to him and turn up anything that is unflattering to Joe Biden.

This is the real risk.


Isn't that just the reverse of what Facebook and Google do currently?


80 million US users will be seeing one side of the story in November.


There's no chmace any of the technical details would be ready to manipulate propganga before November 3rd. Amusing, no chance




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