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> These people behave in a way that would not be tolerated in real life. I’ve worked with a few of these jerks in real life, and when they’ve been unable to restrain their behavior I’ve asked for them to be fired, and I’ve quit.

Just because you couldn't tolerate them doesn't mean they aren't tolerated. When you asked for them to be fired (instead of asking the manager to talk to them about their behavior), were they actually fired? That sort of thing depends on the amount of power you hold in an organization. I certainly couldn't just demand that one of my coworkers be fired and expect my boss to acquiesce.



I was thinking of two specific instances (luckily this sort of crap is rare and it's only happened to me those two times).

In the first instance, the person in question was my direct boss and was responsible for reviewing my code. He'd routinely call me an idiot, a retard, etc., and during meetings he'd often say things like "no, we can't give that to Jacob - he'll just fuck it up." Now, in his defense I was a pretty shitty developer at the time, but I do believe there are more constructive ways of reviewing code than calling the author a retard. I dealt with it for a few months, and finally asked his boss to transfer one of us. When I explained the reasons, this person was fired.

In the second case, my coworker was showing up to work drunk, yelling and cursing at coworkers, and routinely threatened violence -- "I'm gonna beat your ass if you don't shut the fuck up" was, I believe, a common line. Once he threw a chair through a window halfway through a (technical) meeting. Again I was too much of a coward to call him on his behavior directly, but yes I spoke to first my boss, then his, then the owner of the company. Nothing changed, so ultimately I quit.

In retrospect I certainly didn't behave perfectly: I should have confronted the behavior directly, and I should have made clear what my expectations were with regard to a professional working environment. But I was young, and all in all I'm proud of myself for not tolerating abuse (even if I didn't go about it quite right).


Okay, wow, your samples are far and above what I expected - I thought you'd merely put up with Torvalds-style directness, or perhaps simply had a couple of Russian coworkers. I didn't think that people in the real world actually called their coworkers retards, or threw chairs through windows.

I now think you were perfectly justified in asking for those people to be fired and quitting - I'd have probably tacked on a discreet phone call to the police, and maybe scraped together enough cash to get a lawyer to threaten a lawsuit.


Awesome. Please tell us the names of these companies where managers refer to their employees as "retards", coworkers show up drunk, and it takes direct confrontation to get any of it resolved. Because I doubt anyone here wants to end up working at these places either.

Kudos to you for standing up for yourself.


It's my sincere hope that those companies have long since failed.


Here is an interesting article that talks a bit about what is accceptable.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/hostile-work-environment...


If one of my coworkers was being abusive to anyone I would absolutely expect my boss to fire them.

Edit: Or I would expect the boss to fire themselves for not being able to protect the team from the asshole.


Should Steve Jobs be fired?


For every Steve Jobs there are a million assholes who can be replaced by warmer, equally talented characters.


Steve Jobs was fired ... and look what happened to Apple while he was gone. Good parallel? Probably not, but it isn't a unique situation.


There wasn't anyone nice to replace him.

Having the company depend on one vital asshole is a worst-case scenario.


I'd rather have a vital asshole, than be missing the vital component altogether.


He's a dick, not an asshole. South Park explains the distinction in their epic musical.


Everyone's definition of "asshole" differs, of course, but I think someone can be an asshole without necessarily being abusive.




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