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Being eventually forced to decide whether to leave your child behind or take them with you out of the USA is a direct consequence of the choice to illegally enter the country.

Are you suggesting we never deport parents under any circumstance? Having a citizen child is not some get-out-deportation-free card.



No one is saying parents cannot be deported. Rather that ICE clearly engineered the circumstances to ensure the child and mother were deported without any practical opportunity for the child to stay.


Entering the US without permission is a civil offense, not a crime in the way most people think of them.


You’re thinking of visa overstay (a civil offense). Unauthorized entry is a criminal misdemeanor. Re-entry after deportation rises to a felony.


Ah, yes. But a misdemeanor is fairly minor, all things considered.


Is it, though?

> Entering the United States illegally is not classified as a civil offense; it is a criminal offense. Under U.S. law, specifically under Title 8 of the U.S. Code, unauthorized entry into the country is considered a misdemeanor. The specific statute is 8 U.S.C. § 1325


This is like claiming that getting conscripted into the Russian Federation Armed Forces is a direct consequence of entering illegally

So is their life forfeit now, and the respective goverment absolved of responsibility?


Such a society that chooses that has no respect for the rights of an individual.


Conscription was, and probably still is in places around the world, a consequence of illegal entry or for a number of different offenses. It isn't here in the United States so I'm not sure what your point is.


Actually yeah, I think having a minor citizen child should probably automatically make you a citizen, or at the very least a legal permanent resident (but that's stupid, let's just stick to citizen).


Did a judge rule on this alleged "illegally"? Elon Musk also entered the country illegally to work by pretending to be a student, and somehow he got given the keys to the treasury.


Americans are extremely cruel.

The real solution to this is to end jus solis.

Separating children from parents is incredibly cruel, inhumane, even.


> The real solution to this is to end jus solis.

No, that's a step down a terrible return to pre-Civil War policy. We should be actively fighting against enslavement and for due process, not throwing our hands up and saying "well, guess we can't [bring them back from El Salvador, have a sane policy with respect to families, have people's rights to citizenship and legal residence respected]".


Well, I wish you luck with that, you're currently losing.

I have nothing to gain from the US devolving from a democracy, but you're headed that way.




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